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With the official release of LJ-Talk, I'm reminded of why I gave up bothering with it before. Having multiple chat clients is just annoying. So I'm wondering if anyone knows of any IM client that meets my requirements:

Must run on Windows XP.
Must be able to speak AIM and Jabber. Should preferably do ICQ, MSN and Y!M as well.
Must be free (as in beer).
Must be able to have chat sessions with multiple people in tabs within a single window.
Must be easily configurable (which basically means "not gaim", which I'm sure is wonderful and all, but I surely cannot be mithered spending hours faffing around with GTK).
Should preferably be able to reconnect me automatically if I disconnect.
Should preferably be able to deal with direct file transfer; need not do any other bloat and whistles that come in IM programs (other than sending of messages, naturally).
Should preferably be able to log messages for me automatically.
Should preferably be able to understand UTF8.
Should preferably give me the option to turn off any annoying "features" like graphical smileys or audio alerts.

Anyone know if such a beast exists?

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Y'know, if such a thing exists, then...

I'll probably still hate IMs, but it might make the whole thing bearable. I tried installing GAIM once, but decided it wasn't worth the hassle. I only ever log into MSN when someone nags me to. But yeah, sounds like a good thing. If I can tell it that I don't want to be hassled by everyone whenever I log in, that'd be even better...

Hm. Adium does all that, except for the Windows XP part! I wonder about Miranda (www.miranda-im.org). I can't tell from the website whether it fits the whole description, but at least it has AIM and Jabber support and is very plug-in-able.

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Yep. From memory, when I've tried using it in the past, I found that the text size was too small and gave me a headache. And when I looked into changing that, it said that it took all it's graphica settings from GTK options, so if I wanted to change them I'd have to install GTK for windows, and then figure out how to configure that, and it all seemed like far too much effort. I forget the exact details, since it's been a while since I last tried, but it was something along those lines.

The Extended Preferences plugin for gaim lets you change font sizes from within gaim, but like every other Extended Preferences panel ever it's not exactly a usability dream. Better than hand-editing your gtkrc, though.

I'm not really sure why the text size would seem too small to you there but not in other programs. I'm using what I think is a fairly old version (1.5.0, but am too lazy to check to see what the current one is) and the text size there is the same as for everything else on my computer. I checked to make sure it didn't stay smaller if I switched Windows to have large fonts, and it didn't...everything there grew just as much as in the other programs. So I'm puzzled and curious. :)

It's tiny in my version of Gaim as well (looks about 8px to me).

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Adium definitely meets the latter of your two conditions there. I have no sounds or graphical smileys. But it's not XP, obviously.

You could try bitlbee and your favourite IRC client to talk to that. Bitlbee being an IM <> IRC gateway. Bitlbee doesn't do file transfers though, I consider this a blessing, some don't.

D'oh. I missed the bit where you said you'd like file transfer. I knwo it dosen't do it for MSN, I can't speak for Jabber or AIM Y! or ICQ, I've not had anyone try to send me a file on those networks.

File transfer is one of the things that I'd like but which isn't a necessity if everything else works, because there are always other ways of sending files. (And to be honest, I mostly prefer other ways, but sometimes other ways aren't convenient for the people I want to share files with.)

I've used bitlbee a bit in the past. I remember I stopped using it at some point because it did something to annoy me, but I can't remember what it was, which indicates that in al probability either it was something fairly minor, or it was long enough ago that things might have improved.

The main thing that was holding me back from trying it again was that last time I checked it was linux only. Do you have any experience with the windows version? How stable is it?

I've no personal experience of it on windows, but I did point someone else at it a while back and they've not complained about it as far as I know.
Sorry I can't be more help.

It's running on crschmidt.net: just connect to crschmidt.net in your IRC client, and you don't even have to bother running it. (I'm assuming a net connection is a given ;))

I don't use IM software, but I've heard raves about something called Trillian. I've been told it's compatible with all other IM clients out there.

I use Trillian. It does AIM, Yahoo, ICQ and MSN, but not (as far as I know) Jabber. I've managed to turn off the graphical smilies and noises and stuff without much effort.

It runs on Windows XP. It's free. It does tabs (even though I never use them). I think it does automatic reconnects. It does file transfer. It automatically logs conversations.

I don't know what's meant by configurable, and I've never wanted to know if it does UTF8, but it does everything else except Jabber.

Trillian is what I'm using at the moment. It does most of what I'd want... but not Jabber. Hence the annoyance at having to use two clients if I try to use LJ Talk. Basically, I'm woindering if anything exists that can do everything Trillian does, except jabber as well. I preobably should have stated this.

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Yeah, I was really wanting to recommend Trillian Pro, but for the fact it costs money. You could be sneaky and find someone with it installed and copy their whole program directory as I did, so I have a functioning version of it without spending any money. If I can figure out how to remove any profiles and passwords and chat logs and stuff, I could share around a functional version of it.

All IM clients do of course suck. With the possible exception of an early beta of ICQ (from late 1997 when they'd sorted most of the bugs but hadn't developed the feeping creatureism that turned everyone to AIM), most of them are enormously and unnescessarily irritating too. I'm not exactly sure why.

My requirements (namely, one which runs on linux, supports IRC and hopefully the Big Four, pops up attention-getting message windows without embarassingly stealing focus, and otherwise minds its own business in the corner of the screen) are somewhat less demanding than yours, yet there seems to be very little to chose from.

The repeated fragmentation of the userbase doesn't help, though hopefully we're over the worst now all the cool stuff is turning to Jabber. I won't hold my breath. These days I've pretty much given up on IM for chatting, as all the sane people use IRC anyway, apart from as a convenient cross-platform way of popping up messages.

If anyone's interested I'm currently using Kopete, which sucks as an IM client by insisting that you use coloured text in bizarrely nondeterministic ways, but does a nice job of displaying messages in baloons appearing from the system tray, which is ideal - the main reason I'm running an IM client in the first place is so that I can have the IRC bots spam me with caller-ID, doorbell ringing, that sort of thing.

Humbug.

I use Psi. I tried Trillian, but I didn't like it because of all the feature bloat -- although you could turn off annoying features, I didn't like the fact it took a fair amount of my computer memory to run anyway. Psi is light.

Must run on Windows XP. -- Check
Must be able to speak AIM and Jabber. Should preferably do ICQ, MSN and Y!M as well. -- Check
Must be free (as in beer). -- Check
Must be able to have chat sessions with multiple people in tabs within a single window. -- No tabs, I don't think so.
Must be easily configurable (which basically means "not gaim", which I'm sure is wonderful and all, but I surely cannot be mithered spending hours faffing around with GTK). -- Check, I guess
Should preferably be able to reconnect me automatically if I disconnect. -- Nope :(
Should preferably be able to deal with direct file transfer; need not do any other bloat and whistles that come in IM programs (other than sending of messages, naturally). -- Check
Should preferably be able to log messages for me automatically. -- Check.
Should preferably be able to understand UTF8. -- Check! Provided the service you send UTF-8 to understands it. I've had problems with AIM (or something else), but when I use GoogleTalk with Psi it works like a charm ;)
Should preferably give me the option to turn off any annoying "features" like graphical smileys or audio alerts. -- Check. In fact, I think they are off by default, but if you wanted them could turn them on.

http://www.miranda-im.org/about/

I saw a link to it from portable apps, and it seems to have the functions you want,but the page isn't 100% clear. It supports more protocals than I've heard of, which isn't that impressive but still.

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